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Ana Vyr
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Posted - 2012.05.02 14:06:00 -
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What does FW have to do with tech II research? |
Ana Vyr
Vyral Technologies
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Posted - 2012.05.03 13:51:00 -
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So, it sounds like we won't be able to aquire datacores without FW LP....so presumably folks doing FW will buy them with their LP/ISK and then put them on the market, so us bottom feeder Tech 2 producers can still operate. Will these guys even have to have the prerequisite skills to get them?
Right now what I've been doing is using the datacores I aquire through my standings and skills to research blueprints, so I can go on to manufacture the goods. I assume in this new scheme I can buy the datacores at a vastly inflated price from the market to continue to do this? Margins are kinda squeeky close on some of the stuff you can manufacture as it is, so I assume this will essentially crush the ability to make any money doing tech 2 production UNLESS you are participating in FW?
Is there any wiggle room in this new paradigm? Can I still make a profit on tech 2 without doing FW somehow?
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Ana Vyr
Vyral Technologies
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Posted - 2012.05.03 14:22:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Ana Vyr wrote:So, it sounds like we won't be able to aquire datacores without FW LP....so presumably folks doing FW will buy them with their LP/ISK and then put them on the market, so us bottom feeder Tech 2 producers can still operate. Will these guys even have to have the prerequisite skills to get them?
Right now what I've been doing is using the datacores I aquire through my standings and skills to research blueprints, so I can go on to manufacture the goods. I assume in this new scheme I can buy the datacores at a vastly inflated price from the market to continue to do this? Margins are kinda squeeky close on some of the stuff you can manufacture as it is, so I assume this will essentially crush the ability to make any money doing tech 2 production UNLESS you are participating in FW?
Is there any wiggle room in this new paradigm? Can I still make a profit on tech 2 without doing FW somehow?
You realise that you can drop in and out of the NPC FW corps at will, right?
Yep, but why would I? I have no interest at all in FW. Forcing me to participate won't work because I'm not going to spend liesure time doing something I don't want to do, even if that something enables something else. I have really limited game time, sadly, due to life. I love EvE though, so I still play in a limited capacity...ie tech 2 production/market/mining. |
Ana Vyr
Vyral Technologies
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Posted - 2012.05.03 14:24:00 -
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Francisco Bizzaro wrote:Ana Vyr wrote:So, it sounds like we won't be able to aquire datacores without FW LP.... Really? But there was a guy earlier in this thread who said: CCP Soundwave wrote:We're not removing research agents or the ability to farm datacores from them. What we're going to do is slow down the rate of datacores you accumulate and put a small pricetag on them.
Additionally to that, they're being added to the Faction Warfare LP store, with a dynamic price.
We should have a devblog out later this month with the exact details.
Fair enough, as long as the "small pricetag" doesn't crush the margins to the point of non-viability. |
Ana Vyr
Vyral Technologies
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Posted - 2012.05.03 17:08:00 -
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Kesker wrote:T2 production is an expensive endeavor as it is, and it just went up. Even a small tower now costs over 100mil isk in fuel per month. (Med. tower 200mil+, Lg tower 400mil+) Even if I were farming DCs for ISK, I wouldn't be able to cover the cost of fuel for a small tower. The PI changes to tax rates nearly doubled our POS fuel costs for strictly invention. Sure its more efficient if running all sorts of mods, but again CCP hurt the little man. Just like a real economy, you need start ups. Yet you keep making it more and more difficult for them to make a profit.
I don't know why we all bother posting our thoughts here. CCP already made their decision obviously. They really don't care what we have to say. The only thing that will get their attention is a player protest as happened last year.
I had to pull my tower down recently because of this. What I had planned to do was put it back up in bursts to try and conserve fuel costs, by building up enough fuel through PI to run it for a stretch, blitz the thing with research jobs, then pull it down again after I had enough successes to do a decent manufacturing blitz. |
Ana Vyr
Vyral Technologies
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Posted - 2012.05.03 17:23:00 -
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Scrapyard Bob wrote:
POS fuel costs have not changed much in a very long time.
(small/medium/large, millions of ISK per 30 days)
Oct 2011 - 150-175 / 231-276 / 392-482
Dec 2011 - 125 / 230 / 440
Feb 2012 - 95 / 190 / 380
Apr 2012 - 100 / 200 / 400
If anything, running a small/medium tower got a good bit cheaper once fuel blocks arrived on the scene.
I'm sure you are correct, but yields from PI went down. So if you are like me, and make your own fuel (I even mine my own ice), there's less of it on hand. |
Ana Vyr
Vyral Technologies
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Posted - 2012.05.04 15:16:00 -
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I just wish they would tie the aquisition of the datacores directly to industry somehow, instead of FW.
I don't mind so much that they are moving away from passivity, but it's a bit of a shame the datacores won't be tied to the manufacturing skills involved in getting access to them. For example, you could actually trade in a manufactured good for an amount of related datacores or something like that...or trade minerals for them or something aquired through the use of industry itself.
I agree the skills themselves are not being wasted though because you need the skills to manufacture the items in many cases, and it seems that we'll still be able to collect half the current amount of datacores based on the Research Management skill. |
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